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garyvanremortel(at)gmail.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:49 pm Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

Guys-

You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?

Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?

Thx and stay well.

-N1GV

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Gary.A.Sobek

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 217
Location: SoCAL USA

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:19 am Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

I did it to my two LASAR mags because they were at the 500-hour inspection.  I did not do my spare mags.  I have two new version K3008 parts sitting on the shelf in case I need them in the future.

  

 

  It is my understanding that a batch made between certain dates MAY not be made to the correct workmanship standard.

  

 

  I did not pull my mags when the SB first came out but did comply when the mag needed service.  IIRC, they (K3008) were just over $100 each when I did mine and now are over $200 each.

  

 

  All I changed were the K3008.  The distributor blocks I have looked like new.  In other words, I did a I.R.A.N.

  

 

  

 

   

 

    

  Gary A. Sobek 

 "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,  

 3,500+ Flying Hours NC25, USA 

 

 

 

 

  

 

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 Subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance  

 

   Guys-

 

 

 You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the  4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?� Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?

 

 

 Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?

 

 

 Thx and stay well.

 -N1GV

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arplnplt(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:03 am Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

Tim,Surprised you aren’t using LSI.



Dave Leikam



 	  Quote: 	
		  On Jan 24, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:



                   I'll tell you this:   I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick     Mags, and within about 350 hours, 

     I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety     problem.  The copper wiper had 

     eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the plastic gear.�     Watch this quick video

     and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

     

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

     

     I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

     

     More here:

     

     https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

     

       Hope that helps you make a decision.

       Tim

       

       

       On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                         Guys-

         

         

         You folks who           have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick           SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit           having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had           copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for           the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor           block terminals upgraded as well?

         

         

         Should I do           this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?

         

         

         Thx and stay           well.

         -N1GV

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:09 am Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

I always preferred reliability of a magneto to an electronic as I have been in Aerospace and Defense Electronics for 50yrs.  If I ever switch, it will likely be to the dual ElectroAir system.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 8:05 AM Dave Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com (arplnplt(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Tim,Surprised you aren’t using LSI.



Dave Leikam



 	  Quote: 	
		  On Jan 24, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:



                   I'll tell you this:   I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick     Mags, and within about 350 hours, 

     I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety     problem.  The copper wiper had 

     eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the plastic gear.      Watch this quick video

     and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

     

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

     

     I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

     

     More here:

     

     https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

     

       Hope that helps you make a decision.

       Tim

       

       

       On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                         Guys-

         

         

         You folks who           have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick           SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit           having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had           copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for           the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor           block terminals upgraded as well?

         

         

         Should I do           this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?

         

         

         Thx and stay           well.

         -N1GV

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:14 am Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

Thx Gary.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:21 AM RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com (rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		         I did it to my two LASAR mags because they were at the 500-hour inspection.  I did not do my spare mags.  I have two new version K3008 parts sitting on the shelf in case I need them in the future.

  

 

  It is my understanding that a batch made between certain dates MAY not be made to the correct workmanship standard.

  

 

  I did not pull my mags when the SB first came out but did comply when the mag needed service.  IIRC, they (K3008) were just over $100 each when I did mine and now are over $200 each.

  

 

  All I changed were the K3008.  The distributor blocks I have looked like new.  In other words, I did a I.R.A.N.

  

 

  

 

   

 

    

  Gary A. Sobek 

 "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,  

 3,500+ Flying Hours NC25, USA 

 

 

 

 

  

 

  From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Gary VanRemortel <garyvanremortel(at)gmail.com (garyvanremortel(at)gmail.com)>

 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:48 AM

 To: RV-List <rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)>; rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com) <rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com)>

 Subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance  

 

   Guys-

 

 

 You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the  4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?

 

 

 Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?

 

 

 Thx and stay well.

 -N1GV

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tcone1(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:21 am Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

Tim,

  

 The link you provided is a great resource.  Thank you for  posting.

  

 Tim

    

  From: Tim Olson (Tim(at)MyRV10.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 6:33 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com) ; rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

  



 I'll  tell you this:   I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick Mags,  and within about 350 hours, 

I was having major issues that could have been a  huge safety problem.  The copper wiper had 

eroded away from the shaft  and even fallen off of the plastic gear.  Watch this quick video

and  then you can decide how big of a deal it is.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg



I  would never trust a copper one again, ever.



More here:



https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

 

Hope that helps you make a  decision.

Tim

On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel  wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		        Guys-

    

   You    folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick    SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel    wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day    one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were    the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?

    

   Should I do this on both of my    Slicks next condition inspection?

    

   Thx    and stay well.

   -N1GV

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2877

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:22 am Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

It's an old post.   I used a Lightspeed + Mag on both planes up     until a couple years ago.

     Now both airplanes are Lightspeed + Surefly.   Part of that is due     to all these mag

     issues and maintenance.   It's funny because, I always kept the mag     because I wanted

     that reliability "just in case", since I was running Electronic     ignition.  Turns out the

     Electronic ignition has been far more trouble free for me.  So, a     couple years back,

     I reworked my stuff a little to go all-electric.  I added standby     alternators, and already

     had dual-batteries.  I did, however, add an option so that if I am     doing another

     Alaska trip, for example, I can bring a 3rd portable battery and add     a quick connector

     for an emergency.  I have it so that I can 100% completely power off     the plane, yet

     still have a 3rd battery feed to one of the ignitions.   Unlikely     I'll ever need it, 

     with 2 alternators, but that's how it works.    The more you prepare     the less likely

     it'll probably happen.  That's why I bought a new snowblower a     couple years ago.

     I figured once I did that, it wouldn't snow as much. 

     Tim

     

     

     On 1/24/2023 10:08 AM, Gary VanRemortel       wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                         I always           preferred reliability of a magneto to an electronic as I have           been in Aerospace and Defense Electronics for 50yrs.  If I           ever switch, it will likely be to the dual ElectroAir system.

       

       

                On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 8:05           AM Dave Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com (arplnplt(at)gmail.com)>           wrote:

         

          	  Quote: 	
		             Tim,             Surprised you aren’t using LSI.

               

               Dave Leikam                 

                 

               

               

                  	  Quote: 	
		  On Jan 24, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Tim                   Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>                   wrote:

                   

                                   I'll tell you this:   I had a brand new                   IO-390 with brand new Slick Mags, and within about 350                   hours, 

                   I was having major issues that could have been a huge                   safety problem.  The copper wiper had 

                   eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the                   plastic gear.  Watch this quick video

                   and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

                   

                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

                   

                   I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

                   

                   More here:

                   

                   https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

                   

                     Hope that helps you make a decision.

                     Tim

                     

                     

                     On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

                   

                    	  Quote: 	
		                                              Guys-

                       

                       

                       You                         folks who have done this work, how important is                         it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out                         the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having                         a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300                         magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why                         the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely                         better, but were the internal distributor block                         terminals upgraded as well?

                       

                       

                       Should                         I do this on both of my Slicks next condition                         inspection?

                       

                       

                       Thx                         and stay well.

                       -N1GV

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2877

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:28 am Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

You're welcome.  I would say I did it for everyone else, but the     truth is, I write that stuff

     up so that I can remember not only what I did, but track down the     parts when needed.

     It's so hard sometimes to come up with the proper part number info,     so once I find it,

     I try to take good notes.

     Tim

     

     

     On 1/24/2023 10:20 AM, Timothy E. Cone       wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                                    Tim,

            

           The link you provided is a great resource.  Thank you for             posting.

            

           Tim

                                        

                                From: Tim Olson (Tim(at)MyRV10.com) 

                 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 6:33 AM

                 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)                   ; rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com)                 

                 Subject: Re: Slick Mag SB1-15A                   compliance

               

             

              

           

           I'll             tell you this:   I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new             Slick Mags, and within about 350 hours, 

             I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety             problem.  The copper wiper had 

             eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the             plastic gear.  Watch this quick video

             and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

             

             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

             

             I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

             

             More here:

             

             https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

             

               Hope that helps you make a decision.

               Tim

               

               

               On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

             

              	  Quote: 	
		                                  Guys-

                  

                 You folks who have done                   this work, how important is it to comply with Slick                   SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for                   the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the                   4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why                   the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but                   were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded                   as well?

                  

                 Should I do this on both                   of my Slicks next condition inspection?

                  

                 Thx and stay well.

                 -N1GV

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