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Paul Hawkins

Joined: 05 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Location: BIGGIN HILL UK

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:29 am Post subject: Recommendations VP Prop

Hi chaps

  

 

  I�m looking for recommendations for a VP prop for my trike XS Europa, I need help on this one I would appreciate your response.

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Burrilla

Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 185

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:41 am Post subject: Recommendations VP Prop

I’m very pleased with my Airmaster.



Very Robust 

Very well made.

Good Performance improvements over my fixed pitch warp drive.

Maintains RPM set

2000 hours between overhauls and with 100hour maintenance intervals.

Support is good and we have the European agent as Europa Owner.

It’s the heaviest of the VP props at 26lb

It’s expensive.

Wouldn’t change it.

Alan Burrill

G-OBJTSent from my iPad



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		  On 27 Oct 2024, at 10:30, Paul Hawkins <pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



       Hi chaps

  

 

  I’m looking for recommendations for a VP prop for my trike XS Europa, I need help on this one I would appreciate your response.

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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:49 am Post subject: Recommendations VP Prop

I have an airmaster which has worked well and with good service... surprisingly quick considering the factory is in nz.

William Daniell

+1 786 878 0246

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024, 12:30 Paul Hawkins <pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com (pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:



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		         Hi chaps

  

 

  I’m looking for recommendations for a VP prop for my trike XS Europa, I need help on this one I would appreciate your response.

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:52 am Post subject: Recommendations VP Prop

I do agree, Alan!

          

Perfectly happy with it since 2008 and through 800 hours.     

First coil change when used well over 600 hours (old ones were       still usable).

          

Dirk van Oyen - Europa Pilot [Mono OO-145) and Airmaster Expert       from Belgium, flew to my place and completed also The Dynamical       Balancing with his pro equipment.     

It was good (value < 0,2 IPS by chance), but now it´s smooth       like my iX50M, value next to 0,00 IPS [inches per second].     

I have Warp Drive Blades and have been happy with them.     

During the coming decade (!) however they must be upgraded to the       next level, which are...any recommendations?

          

 

                 allekirjoitus2       Cheers, Raimo Toivio 

       

       [img]cid:part1.hXUT9UvX.lAGkof0M(at)rwm.fi[/img] 

       

       Europa XS Monowheel OH-XRT #417 2007 

       Antonov AN-2 TDSRM AirCamper HA-MDO 1987 

       

       37800 Akaa 

       FINLAND 

       p. +358 3 3753 777 

       m. +358 40 590 1450 

       www.rwm.fi       

       raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi (raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi)     

     Alan Burrill kirjoitti 27.10.2024 klo       12.40:

     

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		                I’m very pleased with my Airmaster.       

       

       Very Robust 

       Very well made.

       Good Performance improvements over my fixed pitch warp drive.

       Maintains RPM set

       2000 hours between overhauls and with 100hour maintenance         intervals.

       Support is good and we have the European agent as Europa         Owner.

       

       

       It’s the heaviest of the VP props at 26lb

       It’s expensive.

       

       

       Wouldn’t change it.

       

       

       Alan Burrill

       G-OBJT         Sent from my iPad

         

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		  On 27 Oct 2024, at 10:30, Paul Hawkins             <pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com> (pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com) wrote:

             

                                                               Hi chaps

                            

             

                            I’m looking for recommendations for a VP prop for my trike               XS Europa, I need help on this one I would appreciate your               response.

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peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:07 am Post subject: Recommendations VP Prop

Re: E-prop: I cannot recommend highly enough, and it’s extremely light all in weight and simplicity are unmatched attributes.

PeteZ



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		  On Oct 27, 2024, at 12:32 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> wrote:



       Paul,

  In my over 20 years dealing with the Airmaster (and Europa) I think my website has all the information you need on choosing a constant speed propeller.� (Keep in mind this is not a variable pitch only propeller, it is a constant speed propeller.)  

  

 

  The Europa with a 914 and Airmaster AP 330 three blade or AP420 two blade transforms the aircraft into a good economical 10,000+ ft cruiser.  The 64 inch propeller length is considered maximum for the Europa due to ground clearance.  I would not go any longer.

  

 

  On the 912S (100 HP) Rotax, it is excellent for shorter takeoff and gives you the best for optimum low altitude cruise in the normally aspirated Rotax.� With a fuel leaning kit (HacMan), fuel efficiency improves at cruise at 7500 feet and you can pick up a  bit of speed also.  Your country regulations must be adhered to concerning modifications to an engine.

  

 

  Attached is my now very old and hated by the prop blade manufacturers information pdf on choosing the right blade for constant speed propeller operations on the Rotax.  Nothing good happens after 67 to 68 inches on a Rotax even with a constant speed hub, but  people keep trying.  It is a short read and goes into why this is true.  In all honesty, blade manufacturer performance is negated as the "performance is in the hub".  Changing the pitch with speed is the key to performance.  I'm including the installation  manual from Airmaster as well for your review.

  

 

  The Airmaster is more expensive than some of our European competitor prop builders but when it comes to ease of installation, builder maintenance, reliability and quick turn around on parts, the Airmaster has never left me stuck out.  It is amazingly reliable.   Service the hub once a year, change the brushes around 300-500 hours and look at your blades for damage as on any propeller.  Yes, you have to maintain an aircraft.  No engine, prop, or electronic do dad works forever as humidity, age and lack of use or attention  often shows up.  The controller is almost bullet proof, but switches can get corroded if kept near the salt water or the plane has sat in a humid environment for months on end without use.  Simply clean your brush ring, click and wiggle switches that may corrode  and if necessary, call a dealer or Airmaster direct with your issue and you will find troubleshooting is very simple on any electric constant speed.� The hub is strong and reliable, and the motor and switches in the hub are better than those 20 years ago.   Airmaster is constantly improving their product.  

  

 

  Final thoughts:

  The two blade AP420 is lighter at 19 pounds, and the three blade AP330 is smoother at 26 pounds.  Speed difference is negligible ranging from 0-5 Knots depending on altitude, RPM, and engine.  The trigear cowl removal is easier with the two blade on the Europa.   If you have a Rotax belt drive alternator, use the mini-slip ring through the prop shaft.  Note that there can be some interference from these alternators windings but there is an easy work around for those noisy field windings on these Denso type alternators.   There is no problem with the Rotax / Ducati alternator or interference with the propeller.

  

 

  I like to fly and look myself at equipment before I buy.  I talk to owners, but still do my own research.  I suggest you do the same.  You will be hard pressed to find a disappointed Airmaster owner.  A rule of thumb is if the plane looks nasty and is not well  kept, the owner may not be taking best care of his airplane, but somehow the Airmaster soldiers on even when neglected.

  

 

 In the UK, your nearest dealer is Dirk Oyen in Belgium.  He will set you up with a demo and or there are many UK owners with the Airmaster.  He is very hands on and well versed in the Airmaster operations and any maintenance.  Contact for Dirk:  Hemelrijk 61, Heusen-Zolder, Limburg 3550, Belgium.   Email: dirk.oyen1(at)telenet.be (dirk.oyen1(at)telenet.be) ,   Phone: +32 477 25 80 28

  

 

  

 

  Best Regards,

  

 

  Bud Yerly

  Custom Flight Creations

  US Airmaster Dealer

  

 

   

  

 

  

 

 

  From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Paul Hawkins <pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com>

 Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 6:28 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Recommendations VP Prop  

 

    Hi chaps

  

 

  I’m looking for recommendations for a VP prop for my trike XS Europa, I need help on this one I would appreciate your response.

  

 

 

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Paul Hawkins

Joined: 05 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Location: BIGGIN HILL UK

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:27 am Post subject: Recommendations VP Prop

Hi chaps

  Many thanks for your responses and recommendations for a replacement prop much appreciated and a special thanks to Bob, when he posts always reminds me every day is a school day.

  cheers Paul

  

 

 

  

 

  From: Paul Hawkins <pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com>

 Sent: 27 October 2024 10:28

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Recommendations VP Prop  

 

      Hi chaps

  

 

  I�m looking for recommendations for a VP prop for my trike XS Europa, I need help on this one I would appreciate your response.

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