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Coop85
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 Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:14 am Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
Thanks,
Marcus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:29 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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Marcus,
The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
Lenny
| Quote: | On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
Thanks,
Marcus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:45 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble shooting on a mag.
If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
| Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com (lenard(at)rapiddecision.com)> wrote:
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Marcus,
The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
Lenny
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com (cooprv7(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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> During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
> I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
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> Thanks,
> Marcus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Magneto upgrade? |
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Thanks Lenny,
On the G3X it doesn’t read my mag anyway as it has different pulses than my electronic ignition so that’s not really an issue.
In the mechanic’s defense I only posed the question over the phone on first things to look for that might be an easy fix. They were happy to dig into it in the shop but we needed to head out of town.
Marcus
| Lenny Iszak wrote: | Marcus,
The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
Lenny
| Quote: | On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7> wrote:
During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
Thanks,
Marcus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:03 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side. Correct?
I’m pretty sure that is right.
Phil
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| Quote: | On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble shooting on a mag.
If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
| Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com (lenard(at)rapiddecision.com)> wrote:
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Marcus,
The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
Lenny
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com (cooprv7(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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> During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
> I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
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> Thanks,
> Marcus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:56 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even
if the coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
| Quote: | And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the
other side. Correct?
I’m pretty sure that is right.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do
> basic trouble shooting on a mag.
> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It
> could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made
> at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com
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> <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>>
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> Marcus,
>
> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
> install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a
> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>
> There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
>
> Lenny
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> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
> <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>> wrote:
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> <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>>
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> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
> ideas other than replace the mag.
> > I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
> hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic
> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marcus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:36 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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Yes, I’ll be needing a magneto with an impulse coupling or a setup that will do the same job of providing a spark at low rpm.
Thanks for the inputs,
Marcus
| Quote: | On Nov 25, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:
Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even if the coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
> On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
> And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side. Correct?
> I’m pretty sure that is right.
> Phil
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble shooting on a mag.
>> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
>> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
>> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
>> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
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>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>> wrote:
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>> <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>>
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>> Marcus,
>>
>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
>> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
>> install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a
>> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>>
>> There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
>> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
>> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
>>
>> Lenny
>>
>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
>> <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>>
>> >
>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
>> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
>> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
>> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
>> ideas other than replace the mag.
>> > I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
>> hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic
>> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
>> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Marcus
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:49 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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If you do go Surefly you won't need the impulse coupler, and it fits in
the same drive that the impulse coupled mag does on the left side.
I just put one on a few months ago. It's working well so far.
I have lightspeed on the Right still, so it's dual electronic, which
you already said you didn't want to do, but, the engine does start
very nicely with the setup, and no worry about impulse coupler
failures.
Tim
On 11/25/20 10:35 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
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Yes, I’ll be needing a magneto with an impulse coupling or a setup that will do the same job of providing a spark at low rpm.
Thanks for the inputs,
Marcus
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even if the coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
>
>> On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>> And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side. Correct?
>> I’m pretty sure that is right.
>> Phil
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble shooting on a mag.
>>> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
>>> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
>>> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
>>> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>>
>>>
>>> Marcus,
>>>
>>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
>>> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
>>> install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a
>>> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>>>
>>> There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
>>> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
>>> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
>>>
>>> Lenny
>>>
>>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>>
>>> >
>>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
>>> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
>>> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
>>> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
>>> ideas other than replace the mag.
>>> > I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
>>> hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic
>>> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
>>> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Marcus
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Coop85
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:20 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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SureFly sounds like a good option but I now understand it too requires a power supply. I like the simplicity of a magneto as my backup ignition given one electronic ignition provides about 95% of the benefit compared to dual electronic ignitions and no backup battery required. I’m now leaning toward reverting to a Slick mag again as it appears the E mag is 4 cylinder only from what I can see.
Marcus
| Quote: | On Nov 26, 2020, at 00:01, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
If you do go Surefly you won't need the impulse coupler, and it fits in the same drive that the impulse coupled mag does on the left side.
I just put one on a few months ago. It's working well so far.
I have lightspeed on the Right still, so it's dual electronic, which
you already said you didn't want to do, but, the engine does start
very nicely with the setup, and no worry about impulse coupler
failures.
Tim
> On 11/25/20 10:35 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Yes, I’ll be needing a magneto with an impulse coupling or a setup that will do the same job of providing a spark at low rpm.
> Thanks for the inputs,
> Marcus
>>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even if the coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
>>
>>> On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>>> And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side. Correct?
>>> I’m pretty sure that is right.
>>> Phil
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble shooting on a mag.
>>>> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
>>>> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
>>>> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
>>>> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>>
>>>>
>>>> Marcus,
>>>>
>>>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
>>>> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
>>>> install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a
>>>> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>>>>
>>>> There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
>>>> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
>>>> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
>>>>
>>>> Lenny
>>>>
>>>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>>
>>>> >
>>>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
>>>> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
>>>> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
>>>> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
>>>> ideas other than replace the mag.
>>>> > I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
>>>> hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic
>>>> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
>>>> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Marcus
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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Having a magneto firing early during starting is very bad for the starter. Even at starter speeds a magneto can generate a weak spark and cause kickback. That’s why the right magneto is grounded out while the starter is engaged when the engine is equipped with either a conventional magneto with an impulse coupler and an non impulse coupled magneto or the Bendix Shower of sparks system.
I had Bendix Magnetos on my RV10 when I started flying last February. I did not use a conventional switch, just guarded on/off switches for the P leads. As a result I only turned on the left mag for starting to avoid kickback. I turned the right one on after it was running. When the EMags came out for the 6 Cylinder engines I installed one on the right so I could start on both ignition systems. After 50 hours I installed one on the left as well. Starts are easy and the engine still runs great at 18,000 DA. 175 knots TAS on 12 gal/hr. I might get around to flying if higher to see what happens to performance post COVID when I can travel more easily.
Robert Jones
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| Quote: | On Nov 27, 2020, at 1:42 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:
Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even if the coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
> On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
> And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side. Correct?
> I’m pretty sure that is right.
> Phil
> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble shooting on a mag.
>> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
>> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
>> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
>> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
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>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>> wrote:
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>> Marcus,
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>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
>> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
>> install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a
>> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
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>> There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
>> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
>> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
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>> Lenny
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>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
>> <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>> wrote:
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>> <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>>
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>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
>> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
>> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
>> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
>> ideas other than replace the mag.
>> > I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
>> hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic
>> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
>> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
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>> > Thanks,
>> > Marcus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:31 pm Post subject: Magneto upgrade? |
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I also have switches for both ignitions. My engine from it's origin was equiped with dual lightspeed ignitions. Especially with the 3 blade MT I always hit the starter button PRIOR to flipping the ignition switches. I think this is a good idea for all. Let the blades get going and then turn on the ignition.� No kickback ever.
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On Friday, November 27, 2020, 01:13:01 PM CST, Robert Jones <rjones560xl(at)gmail.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert Jones <rjones560xl(at)gmail.com (rjones560xl(at)gmail.com)>
Having a magneto firing early during starting is very bad for the starter. Even at starter speeds a magneto can generate a weak spark and cause kickback. That’s why the right magneto is grounded out while the starter is engaged when the engine is equipped with either a conventional magneto with an impulse coupler and an non impulse coupled magneto or the Bendix Shower of sparks system.
I had Bendix Magnetos on my RV10 when I started flying last February. I did not use a conventional switch, just guarded on/off switches for the P leads. As a result I only turned on the left mag for starting to avoid kickback. I turned the right one on after it was running. When the EMags came out for the 6 Cylinder engines I installed one on the right so I could start on both ignition systems. After 50 hours I installed one on the left as well. Starts are easy and the engine still runs great at 18,000 DA. 175 knots TAS on 12 gal/hr. I might get around to flying if higher to see what happens to performance post COVID when I can travel more easily.
Robert Jones
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| Quote: | Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even if the coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
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| Quote: | > On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
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| Quote: | > And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side.� Correct?
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| Quote: | > I’m pretty sure that is right.
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| Quote: | > Sent from my iPhone
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| Quote: | >>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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| Quote: | >> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble shooting on a mag.
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| Quote: | >> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
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| Quote: | >> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
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| Quote: | >> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
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| Quote: | >> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
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| Quote: | >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Lenny Iszak
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| Quote: | >> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
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| Quote: | >> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
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| Quote: | >> install a power wire and that’s it. If it ever breaks while on a
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| Quote: | >> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
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| Quote: | >> There’s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
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| Quote: | >> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
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| Quote: | >> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
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| Quote: | >> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com (cooprv7(at)yahoo.com)
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| Quote: | >> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Marcus Cooper
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| Quote: | >>� > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
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| Quote: | >> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
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| Quote: | >>� troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
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| Quote: | >> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
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| Quote: | >> ideas other than replace the mag.
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| Quote: | >> > I’ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
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| Quote: | >> hybrid magnetos on the market. I don’t want to go pure electronic
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| Quote: | >> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
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| Quote: | >> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
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